Comments on: Going for it on 4-and-1 when you are up 42-10 is tacky http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/ Cause, you know, we need more people talking 'bout sports. Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:58:13 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Robert Vanasse http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/comment-page-1/#comment-9709 Robert Vanasse Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:00:01 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/#comment-9709 I thought it was generally considered a riskier move to go for it on 4th down than to punt or go for a field goal? Hey Scott, while you are quoting Woody Hayes on classlessness, don't forget Lou Holtz faking a punt in his 54-7 win over BC in 2003 (and then complaining about BC faking a field goal two years later saying "that's not Notre Dame football"). I thought it was generally considered a riskier move to go for it on 4th down than to punt or go for a field goal?

Hey Scott, while you are quoting Woody Hayes on classlessness, don’t forget Lou Holtz faking a punt in his 54-7 win over BC in 2003 (and then complaining about BC faking a field goal two years later saying “that’s not Notre Dame football”).

]]> By: David http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/comment-page-1/#comment-9701 David Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:04:05 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/#comment-9701 After talking with Scott last night before the Caps game, I'll settle for "poor taste." After talking with Scott last night before the Caps game, I’ll settle for “poor taste.”

]]> By: Scott Smith http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/comment-page-1/#comment-9694 Scott Smith Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:36:16 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/#comment-9694 Do fourth graders tell you that they hate Notre Dame because they are cheaters? Notre Dame is irrelevant in football this year, Duke basketball hasn't started up really yet. The Yankees are the only team that comes close, but they aren't playing right now. At this moment in time, the Patriots are the most reviled team in the nation. Do fourth graders tell you that they hate Notre Dame because they are cheaters?
Notre Dame is irrelevant in football this year, Duke basketball hasn’t started up really yet. The Yankees are the only team that comes close, but they aren’t playing right now. At this moment in time, the Patriots are the most reviled team in the nation.

]]> By: Mike Friess http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/comment-page-1/#comment-9686 Mike Friess Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:02:48 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/#comment-9686 Uh, okay there Scotty, you had me on your side until that last point. I may be biased because I like the Pats, but I really don't think they are hated as much as the Yankees, Duke, ND, the Lakers, or the Cowboys. They are getting blasted right now, to be sure, but that always happens when a team is great. Those teams mentioned above are INSTITUTIONALLY hated. EVERY college basketball fan that doesn't liek Duke HATES them. Ditto with ND and the others. I don't think a SF or Chicago or Minnesota fan "hates" the Patriots. Uh, okay there Scotty, you had me on your side until that last point.

I may be biased because I like the Pats, but I really don’t think they are hated as much as the Yankees, Duke, ND, the Lakers, or the Cowboys.

They are getting blasted right now, to be sure, but that always happens when a team is great.

Those teams mentioned above are INSTITUTIONALLY hated. EVERY college basketball fan that doesn’t liek Duke HATES them. Ditto with ND and the others. I don’t think a SF or Chicago or Minnesota fan “hates” the Patriots.

]]> By: Scott Smith http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/comment-page-1/#comment-9679 Scott Smith Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:54:30 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/#comment-9679 With all due respect to every other team in major professional and college sports right now (because I don't wish to be viewed as not giving other teams respect and exhibit "classlessness"), the Patriots are <b>the</b> most reviled team in America. All the Duke, ND, and the Yankees haters added up don't equal the Patriot Hater Parade stretching from New York to California and down to Texas. I think Bush has a higher approval rating than Bill Belichick at this point. With all due respect to every other team in major professional and college sports right now (because I don’t wish to be viewed as not giving other teams respect and exhibit “classlessness”), the Patriots are the most reviled team in America. All the Duke, ND, and the Yankees haters added up don’t equal the Patriot Hater Parade stretching from New York to California and down to Texas. I think Bush has a higher approval rating than Bill Belichick at this point.

]]> By: The Borg http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/comment-page-1/#comment-9678 The Borg Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:43:11 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/#comment-9678 How's "poor taste" for a more apt description? NOTHING about this game was close, and up 35-7, it's - at best, in my opinion - in poor taste to go for it on 4th down in the 2nd half, twice, rather than kick an easy field goal. This was beating a team senseless when it was down, and yes, I think New England was running up the score. The Pats hadn't turned the ball over at ANY time in the game (on a turn-over, on downs, or on a punt), and trying to score from the 3 yd line on 4th-and-1 is DEFINITELY running it up. At least Belichick took Brady out with about 11 min to go in the 4th, but by then, the horse had been mutilated beyond recognition. Scott, I don't know that this is the best place to be defensive of your team, no matter how ungodly good they are. Move over Dallas, because here comes New England - soon to join Duke basketball, Notre Dame football and the Yankees as the most-despised teams in their sports. This should make for more interesting debates between the NY-NE contingents on this Blog. :-D How’s “poor taste” for a more apt description?

NOTHING about this game was close, and up 35-7, it’s – at best, in my opinion – in poor taste to go for it on 4th down in the 2nd half, twice, rather than kick an easy field goal. This was beating a team senseless when it was down, and yes, I think New England was running up the score. The Pats hadn’t turned the ball over at ANY time in the game (on a turn-over, on downs, or on a punt), and trying to score from the 3 yd line on 4th-and-1 is DEFINITELY running it up. At least Belichick took Brady out with about 11 min to go in the 4th, but by then, the horse had been mutilated beyond recognition. Scott, I don’t know that this is the best place to be defensive of your team, no matter how ungodly good they are.

Move over Dallas, because here comes New England – soon to join Duke basketball, Notre Dame football and the Yankees as the most-despised teams in their sports. This should make for more interesting debates between the NY-NE contingents on this Blog. :-D

]]> By: Scott Smith http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/comment-page-1/#comment-9677 Scott Smith Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:12:42 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/#comment-9677 Rob - It's not so much that he has Brady but that his fantasy sqaud was facing Gostkowski when the Pats played the Redskins and Bills. Can't blame a man for looking out for what really means the most - an undefeated fantasy football season. Rob – It’s not so much that he has Brady but that his fantasy sqaud was facing Gostkowski when the Pats played the Redskins and Bills. Can’t blame a man for looking out for what really means the most – an undefeated fantasy football season.

]]> By: Scott Smith http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/comment-page-1/#comment-9676 Scott Smith Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:10:41 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/#comment-9676 Yeah, the Pats haven't had to punt a lot this year. :) I don't mind if you don't like the Patriots going for it on fourth down in a blowout. I simply take exception to your use of the word classless. It carries a lot of weight and given that the Patriots didn't go for it on 4th and inches from the 30, electing even to pass up a 47 yard field goal attempt (even though Gostkowski could sure use some practice as well), should lay to rest concern that they were trying to run up the score. You may have disagreed with the decision to go for it those two times, but to use the word classless I believe is well over the top in this case and unwarranted. Yeah, the Pats haven’t had to punt a lot this year. :)

I don’t mind if you don’t like the Patriots going for it on fourth down in a blowout. I simply take exception to your use of the word classless. It carries a lot of weight and given that the Patriots didn’t go for it on 4th and inches from the 30, electing even to pass up a 47 yard field goal attempt (even though Gostkowski could sure use some practice as well), should lay to rest concern that they were trying to run up the score. You may have disagreed with the decision to go for it those two times, but to use the word classless I believe is well over the top in this case and unwarranted.

]]> By: Robert Schlesinger http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/comment-page-1/#comment-9674 Robert Schlesinger Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:36:11 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/#comment-9674 Scott: Sorry to see that you've drunk so deeply of the Kool-Aid that you miss the obvious explanation for the Pats running up the score -- Little Bill has Brady on his fantasy team. Scott:

Sorry to see that you’ve drunk so deeply of the Kool-Aid that you miss the obvious explanation for the Pats running up the score — Little Bill has Brady on his fantasy team.

]]> By: David http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/comment-page-1/#comment-9672 David Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:19:34 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/11/19/going-for-it-on-4-and-1-when-you-are-up-42-10-is-tacky/#comment-9672 Yeah, I was (pleasantly) surprised by that last punt. (I was also surprised at how terrible his placement was when he hit it out of the back of the end zone.) You can tell he isn't getting much work this year :) I don't buy the going for it is better because it gives the defense an opportunity to stop them, nor that its better to practice your 4-and-1 plays live. The Bills defensive had already proven their complete inability to stop the Pats. Its essentially the equivalent of playing the practice squad. Frankly, if you buy the "practice argument" you'd say Woody Hayes made the right call going for two. And yes, the only thing that offended me in the game was going for it on 4th-and-1. My opinion would be completely different if they kicked those two field goals. If they played the game like they'd play it when its close, I have been perfectly fine. Yeah, I was (pleasantly) surprised by that last punt. (I was also surprised at how terrible his placement was when he hit it out of the back of the end zone.) You can tell he isn’t getting much work this year :)

I don’t buy the going for it is better because it gives the defense an opportunity to stop them, nor that its better to practice your 4-and-1 plays live. The Bills defensive had already proven their complete inability to stop the Pats. Its essentially the equivalent of playing the practice squad. Frankly, if you buy the “practice argument” you’d say Woody Hayes made the right call going for two.

And yes, the only thing that offended me in the game was going for it on 4th-and-1. My opinion would be completely different if they kicked those two field goals. If they played the game like they’d play it when its close, I have been perfectly fine.

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