Comments on: John Henry Thinks Red Sox Fans Are Fools http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2008/12/27/john-henry-thinks-red-sox-fans-are-fools/ Cause, you know, we need more people talking 'bout sports. Wed, 03 Mar 2010 04:09:26 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Cruiser http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2008/12/27/john-henry-thinks-red-sox-fans-are-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-20352 Cruiser Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:05:42 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/?p=1348#comment-20352 Well, this is the same kind of faux poor-crying Henry. Lucchino and Co. did when the Yanks bought A-Rod.  It is, I agree with you, the theater of the absurd.   However, as disappointed as I am with the results of the Tex sweepstakes, I LOVE the fact that the Sox stuck to their guns and did not overpay for him.  Since Theo took over, they have only overpaid for Dice-K, Drew, and Lugo, and that's not too bad considering they won a World Series and Drew and Cide are still top-5 at their position.   What Henry MAY have meant, and this would have been accurate, is that the Yankees can afford to OVERpay for superstars.  There is no doubt that the Yankees overpaid for Tex and GROSSLY overpaid for Sabathia.  They've consitently done that for players like Giambi, Jeter, Pavano, and of course, Damon.  The results have been mixed, but none of them have won a Series.   Theo has held firm to the premise that he will not overpay for players in their decline and he will not enslave the team to long contracts.  the sox could have afforded to come up to the Yankees number for Tex, but they wisley chose not to.  The Yankees can afford (old stadium or new) to overpay for stars, the Sox can only afford to pay for stars.  But by growing their own (Youkilis, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lester, Papelbon), they don;t really have to. Well, this is the same kind of faux poor-crying Henry. Lucchino and Co. did when the Yanks bought A-Rod.  It is, I agree with you, the theater of the absurd.
 
However, as disappointed as I am with the results of the Tex sweepstakes, I LOVE the fact that the Sox stuck to their guns and did not overpay for him.  Since Theo took over, they have only overpaid for Dice-K, Drew, and Lugo, and that’s not too bad considering they won a World Series and Drew and Cide are still top-5 at their position.
 
What Henry MAY have meant, and this would have been accurate, is that the Yankees can afford to OVERpay for superstars.  There is no doubt that the Yankees overpaid for Tex and GROSSLY overpaid for Sabathia.  They’ve consitently done that for players like Giambi, Jeter, Pavano, and of course, Damon.  The results have been mixed, but none of them have won a Series.
 
Theo has held firm to the premise that he will not overpay for players in their decline and he will not enslave the team to long contracts.  the sox could have afforded to come up to the Yankees number for Tex, but they wisley chose not to.  The Yankees can afford (old stadium or new) to overpay for stars, the Sox can only afford to pay for stars.  But by growing their own (Youkilis, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lester, Papelbon), they don;t really have to.

]]> By: Robert Schlesinger http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2008/12/27/john-henry-thinks-red-sox-fans-are-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-20342 Robert Schlesinger Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:38:03 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/?p=1348#comment-20342 Bob:<br /><br />Perhaps I should have more laboriously connected A to B to C. Let me try again.<br /><br />You are correct that Henry is saying that the Sox have tried to close the financial divide. That they have done this is beyond dispute.<br /><br />The new stadium will certainly provide new revenues. Again beyond dispute.<br /><br />Henry goes on to suggest that the Yankees' new revenues are the reason they were able to sign Teixeira. The idea being that if not for the new revenues, the Yankees would not have been able to sign the three top free agents from this year's pool. Put another way: The Yankees could not have afforded Tex in 2008, but are able to radically increase their payroll in 2009 because of the new revenues from the new ballpark.<br /><br />Right?<br /><br />Wrong. The Yankees payroll will actually go down in 2009. So if the old Yankee stadium were still being used ... they could still afford Tex.<br /><br />So either John Henry is blindly ignorant of basic public facts about baseball ... or thinks Red Sox fans are.<br /> Bob:

Perhaps I should have more laboriously connected A to B to C. Let me try again.

You are correct that Henry is saying that the Sox have tried to close the financial divide. That they have done this is beyond dispute.

The new stadium will certainly provide new revenues. Again beyond dispute.

Henry goes on to suggest that the Yankees’ new revenues are the reason they were able to sign Teixeira. The idea being that if not for the new revenues, the Yankees would not have been able to sign the three top free agents from this year’s pool. Put another way: The Yankees could not have afforded Tex in 2008, but are able to radically increase their payroll in 2009 because of the new revenues from the new ballpark.

Right?

Wrong. The Yankees payroll will actually go down in 2009. So if the old Yankee stadium were still being used … they could still afford Tex.

So either John Henry is blindly ignorant of basic public facts about baseball … or thinks Red Sox fans are.

]]> By: Bob Vanasse http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2008/12/27/john-henry-thinks-red-sox-fans-are-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-20341 Bob Vanasse Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:57:15 +0000 http://www.snakesinmypants.com/?p=1348#comment-20341 As I read his comment he is saying that the Yankees historically had more revenue opportunities thank the Red Sox.  Since they are in the largest market in the country this seems logical.  And in the past 6-7 years the Sox have worked to find more revenue opportunities to try to make the overall operation closer financially.  It seems obvious that the new stadium will generate more money for the Yankees.  Are you seriously suggesting it won't?  Where is the outrage that they are abandoning the house the Ruth built, btw? As I read his comment he is saying that the Yankees historically had more revenue opportunities thank the Red Sox.  Since they are in the largest market in the country this seems logical.  And in the past 6-7 years the Sox have worked to find more revenue opportunities to try to make the overall operation closer financially.  It seems obvious that the new stadium will generate more money for the Yankees.  Are you seriously suggesting it won’t?  Where is the outrage that they are abandoning the house the Ruth built, btw?

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